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as they’ve done within China to foreign automakers
Yup, mutually agreed partnerships.
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Wouldn’t USAlien be more appropriate?
Populationist != Populist
Put down either the crack pipe, or the voice recognition bullshit. Whichever one is failing you, it’s really doing so.

Yup, mutually agreed partnerships.
Yes, one side agrees to steal the expertise of another & the other side agrees to like it
In industries where there was investment and research in the US, the cutting edge stayed in the US. But what limited what the US could do had to do with quality control.
We see this with places like Harley Davison. They have a good product, it lack of quality control really limits what they can do in the

What lost the US manufacturing was lack of skilled labor and quality control. The partnerships came about because stagnant US industries found it more profitable to outsource rather than invest in the US
Where the fuck did you get that from? US manufacturing grew to incredible heights after WWII because the rest of the world decided they wanted to try out two ideologies on a large scale: fascism and communism. They ended up blowing each other up, or in the case of Japan, forcing the US to blow them up, then by the end of the war most of the world’s manufacturing infrastructure was destroyed.
But guess who already had a decently large manufacturing capacity and went through the war practically unscathed on its home turf? And the rest of the world needed to rebuild its infrastructure, that only one country had any measurable capacity to produce (and even pay for via the Marshall Plan.) 30 years later, the rest of the world has infrastructure again. The demand for US manufacturing then declines. Then people like you come around blaming it on shit that has nothing to do with it.

We see this with places like Harley Davison. They have a good product,
No they don’t. They never did. It has had basically the same design and engineering since the 1930s, and they’ve always been just as unreliable as other cars and motorcycles of that era. Harleys always were hobbyist toys for people who like obnoxiously loud and constant in need of maintenance motorcycles. They became an iconic American brand for the same reason that overly hoppy/bitter beer became the most popular beer in America: Returning WWII soldiers were accustomed to them.

Because the original designer does not have the skill to do it.
You’re confusing lack of skill with complacency. Harley Davidson in particular never cared much for quality control, because that’s not what their customers really cared about or asked for. Their customers cared more about and asked for loud and obnoxious toys. Tastes can and do change, and when they do, companies like Harley either change with it or they just fall behind.
Harley isn’t the only iconic brand like this. Apple fans swear like hell that apple makes the best hardware, but anybody who has actually had apple hardware whilst not being particularly loyal to the brand will see just what kind of a piece of shit macbooks really are: Heavy as a cinderblock, not particularly well put together, keyboard is total shit, and the OS really sucks for any work other than photoshop, which apple fans oddly think is the only actual work that people do with a computer. But at the end of the day, they buy macbooks for the same reason people buy Harleys: They want to impress their friends.
I suspect that Bud Light is the most popular brand, while IPAs as a whole may outsell it.
Like warming up a Harley-Davis, I start my drinking with a quick Bud Light to get a head start on being loud and obnoxious.

US manufacturing grew to incredible heights after WWII because the rest of the world decided they wanted to try out two ideologies on a large scale: fascism and communism. They ended up blowing each other up, or in the case of Japan, forcing the US to blow them up, then by the end of the war most of the world’s manufacturing infrastructure was destroyed.
We delayed entering WWII for political reasons, allegedly, while engaging in war profiteering — Hitler’s S.S. would have run out of fuel (literally) if not supplied by American companies, and the Zero was made out of Alcoa aluminum. Our delay meant other countries got bombed to fuck while we remained untouched, profiting further by leasing equipment to other nations. Japan was on the verge of surrender when we dropped the second bomb. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Japan’s manufacturing centers.
This whol

We delayed entering WWII for political reasons,
First, you realize that none of my comments are fundamentally at odds with any of your shitposting right? You’re just doing this to take the opportunity to shit on America whilst telling me stuff that I already know. Duly noted, you hate America. But I already knew that.

allegedly
Allegedly how? The overwhelmingly broad sentiment of the US at the time was that we really didn’t want to get involved in yet another one of Europe’s stupid wars. Keep in mind that this wasn’t very long after we had just got done sacrificing
Well said.
The entire US auto industry got close to being wiped out because not only did demand for their products from abroad dry up, they got their asses kicked in the US domestic market too. Part of this was bad designs (gas-guzzlers in the 1970s oil crisis), another major contributing factor was lack of quality control. Japan was able to supply cars that Just Worked, that were reliable despite long service intervals, when US manufacturers, seemed unable to build cars that didn’t fall apart.
In other words, complacency.
I bought my first Toyota in ’74. I was doing a lot of driving around the country during the Oil Cartel inflation. Besides low gas it had a tilt back seat, which only Rambler had at the time for US brands. Bought a second one a few years later, same reasons. Saved a lot on gas, not so much on repairs. Mostly they ran ok (except that one time in the middle of Montana where the damned points broke (points!)).
I bought an American again in the 00’s. Better quality than the terrible 80’s and the 90’s, but still n
Steganography? Oh, please. Whatever with the spy v spy stuff for the article.
If anyone knows enough about your activity to examine your photos for hidden codes then you’re already busted.
Copy to a usb stick, go on vacation, hand usb stick to your handler. Enjoy your margarita and the beach, go home. Do it again next vacation.
No, mod trolls, your destructive mods are always on topic. If we had real editors you’d lose your mod points for that.
Since we don’t you can instead look forward to the day I’m the only other person still here with you just before slashdot finally shuts down. Congratulations.

Steganography? Oh, please. Copy to a usb stick, go on vacation, hand usb stick to your handler. Enjoy your margarita and the beach, go home. Do it again next vacation.
Except most companies with sensitive data either lock out mass storage devices in USB ports, or physically block user-accessible ports. Many companies have data protection software that monitors outgoing email for flagged data (PII, sensitive data, keywords) and can scan inside attachments or block emails that they can’t scan. Sending something using Steganography is one way around this.
And those security conscious companies allow employers to self-install applications for steganography? You can’t do steganography with MS Paint. Not even with Photoshop, you need something dedicated.

Copy to a usb stick, go on vacation, hand usb stick to your handler. Enjoy your margarita and the beach, go home. Do it again next vacation.
If that’s a viable option where you work, then either nothing you do is particularly sensitive, or your employer is incompetent.
Their spycraft was so awesome that they forgot to check if they were being followed.
and the people out there that ascribe claims like this to xenophobia are naive, useful idiots.
I’ve heard stories from my mentors and peers, and I’ve witnessed it try to happen myself.
If you have a technology that’s truly useful and unique, then it’s worth stealing, and people will definitely try.
That’s just called human life on planet Earth.
Yup. The claim is xenophobic because it so clearly targets China, but is still more than likely also true.
“World order” is the joke… the only order important to the USA is who is at the top, and it’ll try to keep that by any means.
Name the country that is happy not being at the top, that prefers to be a second rate country.

Name the country that is happy not being at the top, that prefers to be a second rate country.
Russia.
Why else would they be destroying their economy in a pointless war?
That’s not how politics in Russia has ever worked. The government knows that they’re second rate, but their power structure relies on the idea that the general populace thinks they’re the most powerful in the world. The USSR broke down partly because the radioactive clouds and people getting sick and dying for no particular reason as a result of the Chernobyl incident was just too hard to cover up. That didn’t stop them from trying for a week or so.
Putin basically rebuilt that power structure by increasingl

Name the country that is happy not being at the top, that prefers to be a second rate country.
Russia, apparently.
Does GE send patent payments back to Parsons for their use of his invention?
The USA thinks it got to where it is using fair methods, but it just stomped over foreign companies and countries.
If the USA can’t secure its secrets they only have themselves blame.
No one in the USA thinks we invented everything by ourselves. That’s just silly.
But it is true of -all- countries that if they don’t secure their knowledge it will be stolen and not only by the Chinese. What was your point? USA uniquely bad on planet?
No, it’s just the typical whataboutism, like how a hundred or two years ago, the US was responsible for a lot of copyright and IP theft. So therefore, we apparently lost all rights forever to complain about modern, high-tech China stealing stuff from American corporations in the present. Or something.
I don’t think most people are blind enough that we don’t see western countries brought a lot of this on ourselves in the rush to push all manufacturing to China to benefit from ultra-low wages. But at some p

These people should be charged with treason and sentenced to death.
We’re not at war; it can’t be considered treason. The definition of treason is in the US Constitution and is rather specific.
If they’re Chinese and working for you, and they have family in China, they’re stealing everything the Chinese government might even think about wanting.
China is everything evil Russia is, but they’re smarter and even more dedicated to creating a Big Brother surveillance society.
GP didn’t invoke race, therefore comment wasn’t racist.
Only you invoked race, therefore you are racist.
Race was invented so some white people could feel good about oppressing all the other people, it’s not a real thing.
You’re completely full of shit. I’d be every bit as opposed to an all white, all black or all purple society dedicated to 24-7 surveillance and control. As bad as the UK and US are, China is far worse. I suspect it’s you who’s the racist, since apparently you draw no distinction between China and Taiwan. Do you also lump Japan, South Korea, Vietnam and other Asian nations together?
A long and dishonourable history
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The ethos is anything benefiting Chinese people is okay. Chinese citizenship and Chinese (Han mostly) ethnicity are rarely distinguished. There isn’t a lot of room to criticize given historical genocides, slavery, and also IP theft that came to pass in the growth of most empires.
But to have an open society means not adopting surveillance state practices or intrusive restrictions on research.
Visiting biotech postdocs of all origins routinely smuggle research to their home countries because it’s their work.
So

There isn’t a lot of room to criticize given historical genocides, slavery, and also IP theft that came to pass in the growth of most empires.
Sure, there is. I criticize my country, because I’m not nationalistic, and I criticize other countries too. And there’s no reason not to do either, or both.
You’re living in the past. Are you old enough to remember when Japanese products were considered junk? Now they’re some of the most advanced.
The same is true about China. They’re capable of very high quality. However, if you want the cheapest, they’ll cut corners and do that for you too. You still get what you pay for. However, you’d be foolish to underestimate them.
>>> They’re capable of very high quality. However, if you want the cheapest, they’ll cut corners and do that for you too.
If I had mod points, I’d give them all to you.
“Cheap Chinese Junk” became a thing in the USA because companies were on a race to the bottom, pricewise. They couldn’t get American manufacturers to build shit products (well, even shittier than American manufacturers were already building) because of product safety laws, customer safety laws, and functioning Court systems, but they
My company has a similar approach to IT security. There’s nearly always a hole somewhere if you know where to look and what to do. We have a company come in every year or so to test our security. We always pass.
I got written permission from my higher-ups to “explore” smuggling out sensitive files. Their attitude was; “Yeah, sure, old guy. Good luck.” I successfully “stole” several multi-megabyte files containing sensitive data, using one of our regular unmodified desktops. Sent them right through their loc
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